Nowadays, more and more programs, the faucet programs would use FaucetHub service as the payment method. FaucetHub themselves offers some earning features which the rate could go higher as we keep collecting experience points by using their feature.

If you are looking for a faucet program that could help boost your level on FaucetHub, you might want to try It is another faucet program that offers to pay with Dogecoin and has an auto faucet like feature.

So, who is Is legit or scam? How much coin can we earn? Are they an auto faucet or manual faucet?

Those are probably just a few questions that came to mind after we heard about Well, in this article, I’m going to share with you my review based on my experience and what we can find from the internet.

Hope this could help. Is going to be the best faucet?

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Type: Faucet (120 minutes, DOGE)
Features: none
Referral Commission: 37.5%
Payment Method: FaucetHub (DOGE)
Started Since: 2018
Last Payment: December 2019

News and Update

December 2019. the owner has decided not to continue their service with the faucet. The owner said that while the faucet made a good passive income for them, it wasn’t that much and it will take a lot of efforts to start over again with the new micro wallet.

November 2019, as the only payment method are closing down their service as micro wallet. Please read my Review for more information and the latest update.

Below is the screenshot of the last announcement.

As of September 2019, has changed their earning interval into 15 minutes per payment which will run until 2 hours. Based on the polling, the owner claimed that the earning will be twice from the previous policy. It’s just getting less number of payment per cycle. also changed the affiliate commission from free 30 minutes into 45 minutes. But, with 15 minutes interval, we will now get 3 payments or 9 EXP for FaucetHub from the previous 6 times.

The rest of this review are still based on the previous policy.

About is another faucet program and as the name suggests, offers to pay with Dogecoin. Initially they used the domain name, back in 2018 before they changed it to 2019.

I couldn’t figure out why but the owner FaucetHub membership got banned so there is no way to contact them there. Despite that status, we can still get paid via FaucetHub.

The owner of also didn’t advertise the program that much. As we can see from the second picture above, it is a thread from another forum and the owner even use two different accounts. Not really sure why but at least maybe we can reach out to him there.

Within the website, there is also a chat room. But, mostly just other user spamming and advertising their program. It’s not like any user get something to do on the website other than claiming the faucet.

The website itself is actually rather simple with just a few pages but maybe not very minimalist design and color scheme. It is said that the script was from the owner of that introduced the auto faucet feature.

Faucet – How to earn

Dogecoin faucet is the main and only feature from With a faucet, any user can get free amount of cyptocurrencies after do almost nothing. Usually just to view ads, solve captcha or complete a shortlink.

The amount is actually very low considering how little the effort is. Then, we can wait for a duration of time before we can repeat the process to claim and earn again.

The website is actually very simple but for those who are not familiar with Dogecoin, cryptocurrencies or even FaucetHub, this can be confusing. Here is a step by step guide to help people earn from

Step 1 – Open a Bitcoin Wallet

First we need to have a FaucetHub account to receive payment from But to create account with them, we need to have a Bitcoin wallet address. If you already have one, you can skip this part and move to the next step.

For those who don’t have any Bitcoin wallet, I suggest opening one with This is actually another Bitcoin faucet but with the deposit feature, we can use it as a wallet.

Another reason is because also offers to pay compounded daily interest like a bank. In theory, we can grow our money just by keeping our coins with them.

Read more from my review.

Use this link to create account with After the sign up process, and maybe claim the faucet, click on the green DEPOSIT button at the top.

We can use this deposit address as withdrawal address from other programs. Every payment from those programs will be sent directly to account as a deposit.

Make sure to double check the address again while copying. Missing just one character means losing an income source and the transaction process can’t be undone.

Now, since is using FaucetHub service as payment method, we need to link this Bitcoin deposit address from to FaucetHub.

Step 2 – Open FaucetHub Account

You can skip this part if you already created an account with FaucetHub. Move to the next step.

Use this link to create account with FaucetHub for free. Click on SIGN UP to register an account.

Enter our username, email address, and the Bitcoin deposit address from (step 1), and the password. Click on two boxes to agree with terms and how they handle personal data, then solve the captcha.

After we finish the sign up process, we can login, but FaucetHub is probably going to ask another one time authentication process and activation via email. The Bitcoin address we use to register with FaucetHub will be automatically linked.

We can now use it for other programs that offer Bitcoin as payment and supported by FaucetHub. If we want to use other address we can add it on FaucetHub user dashboard.

But, for, we need Dogecoin wallet address to accept payment. We also need to link this address to FaucetHub.

Step 3 – Open Dogecoin Wallet Address

You can skip this part if you already have a Dogecoin wallet address. Move to the next step to link that address with FaucetHub.

If you don’t have any Dogecoin wallet address, I suggest opening one with It is also another faucet program just like but they offer Dogecoin instead of Bitcoin.

Read more from my Free-dogecoin review here.

Another reason is because Free-Dogecoin also offers to pay compounded daily interest like a bank. In theory, we can grow our money just by keeping our coins with them.

No need to follow my suggestion. Any Dogecoin wallet address would do. Use this link to create an account with

Use this link to create account with

After we sign up and sign in with, we can use the deposit address from DEPOSIT menu, to sign up to another programs as withdrawal address.

Click on GENERATE DEPOSIT ADDRESS button and copy the wallet address. Any withdrawal from those programs will be sent to account as a deposit.

Don’t forget to claim the faucet. Before we can use the address to accept payment from, we first need to link this deposit address with FaucetHub.

Step 4 – Link Dogecoin Wallet Address to FaucetHub

If you already have linked a dogecoin wallet address with FaucetHub you can use that address and skip to the next step.

After we sign in to FaucetHub account, click on USER+, then from the drop down menu, click on USER DASHBOARD. Next, from the second row of menus, click on WALLET ADDRESSES.

Paste the address on the box below LINK A NEW ADDRESS and choose the right currency, in this case, Dogecoin. Then click on the green LINK THIS ADDRESS+ button.

Scroll down on that WALLET ADDRESS page to make sure that the address has been linked. Only after that we can use the wallet address to accept payment.

Step 5 – Open Account

Use this link to open account with

Paste the DogeCoin wallet address that has been linked to FaucetHub on the login box at the bottom right and click on ENTER.

Right after that we will see a reCaptcha system. Solve it and click the blue SUBMIT button.

On the next page we will see an announcement about moving to shortlink page in a few seconds automatically. The second of next pictures is what we will see. If it doesn’t work, click the button to proceed.

Step 6 – Complete the Shortlink

Shortlink is actually another page provided by a 3rd party program. Depending on which shortlink providers has a deal with, the shortlink page could be different from one to another.

Usually, at the very least, we will see a page, with many ads, and another captcha system to solve. After we solve the captcha, we will need to wait for few seconds countdown timer before we get the final link.

Clicking on the final link will lead user to back to The next picture is just one of the example.

Step 7 – Auto Claiming Process

The next page it the auto claiming process. There is no need to do anything here. Completing each shortlink will start the claiming process.

The website says that it will automatically claim every duration of time, even if we close the page until it reach 2 hours. At this time, the policy is, we will get paid directly to FaucetHub account once every 5 minutes and the rate for each payment is 0.002 DOGE.

So we will get like 24 payments or about 0.048 DOGE at this time. It is actually just like a manual regular faucet but instead of getting paid total amount right after the claim, we will get smaller amounts over multiple payments.

The idea is actually to boost experience points of FaucetHub as we will get 3 EXP per payment. It doesn’t matter how much the amount, could be as little as 1 satoshi.

On this page as well, there is the member status in the middle. But it really doesn’t mean anything since it’s not the record for all of our claims.

What we can get from here is just the timer to remind us when we need to claim or complete the shortlink again. Whether we get paid or not, we can only check them out on our FaucetHub account.

There are three pages here, and we can only access them in the middle of claiming process. This auto claiming page is HOME, then we can see the LEADERBOARD as the second menu and REFERRAL PROGRAM as the third.

The second picture above is what we are going to see once the timer is up. Click on STARTPAGE button to repeat the process back to step 5.

Step 8 – More Coins from FaucetHub

The only way to check if they payment has been sent or not is by checking the FaucetHub account. From the user dashboard on FaucetHub click on STATS or OVERVIEW. We can see something like the picture below.

After this, there are at least two possible ways to get that money out of FaucetHub. One is to earn Dogecoin from FaucetHub to our wallet.

The minimum is 100 DOGE with a fee. If you follow my instructions from step 1, the payment will be sent to

Here is the list for fee and the minimum amount. It’s better to withdraw more than 100 DOGE.

0.05 DOGE fee for up to 100 DOGE payment
0.02 DOGE fee for up to 250 DOGE payment
0.005 DOGE fee for up to 500 DOGE payment

Two, we can exchange the Dogecoin we get into Bitcoin and get paid with Bitcoin. There is probably some fees or different price, more like selling.

In this case, the payment will be sent to, if you follow my instructions here. The minimum is 20,000 Bitcoin satoshi.

We can also get paid with other coins supported by FaucetHub. But we have to sell the coins into Bitcoin first, then buy the chosen coins with Bitcoins. All of these processes can be done within FaucetHub.

We can keep earning from or we can use a lot of other programs to earn Dogecoins. Here is a list of some programs that I have tried. (Faucet, Offerwalls, PTC, Games), Bitcoin (Faucet), Multi coins (Faucet), Multi coins (Faucet), Bitcoins (Faucet, Web Mining), Multi Coins (Faucet, PTC, Web Mining), Multi Coins (Faucet, Offerwalls, Web Mining), Bitcoin (PTC), Bitcoin (Faucet), Bitcoin (Faucet), Bitcoin (Faucet), Bitcoin (Faucet), Multi coins

There are more programs to come and I will keep updating the list. Stay tuned or keep checking my website.

For more programs, read my Review.

The payment from FaucetHub will be processed only once a week on weekend. Submit the withdraw request at least the day before.

If you follow my guide from step 1, check your wallet to see if you get the payment. Once we reach 30,000 satoshi on, we will get the daily interest, compounded.

Keep earning and sending the Bitcoins we earn to and get higher interest. Don’t forget to claim for the faucet as well. Just don’t gamble the money on MULTIPLYING or BETTING feature.

If you get paid with Dogecoins on, the minimum is 500 DOGE to get compounded daily interest. The same as, don’t gamble the money by using on Multiplier game.

How much can we earn?

Based on the number above, with the earning rate at this time, from, we can get like 0.048 DOGE per 2 hours or 0.024 DOGE per hour.

With the price of Bitcoin at the same time, we can get 26 Bitcoin satoshi per 1 DOGE. From, we can get like 0.6 Bitcoin satoshi per hour or 1.2 Bitcoin satoshi per 2 hour.

In USD, 1 DOGE equals to almost $0.003. So, can give like $0.000072 per hour.

Compared to that here are some earning rate from other programs.

Earning Rate Comparison, usually as my standard for good earning faucet, can give us like 18 satoshi at this time per claim every hour. That is still higher than and that is just the base reward., their sister site, only offers like 0.09 DOGE per hour per claim. That is 4 times higher than what we can get from, now the faucet can only give us 2 claims per day. For me right now about 20 coins a day and with 100 coins equals to $0.01 means $0.002 per day. Based on the number above, can’t even match after claiming every 2 hours the whole day. and their group, can give members like 0.178 DOGE per claim every 240 minutes or 4 hours. Or about 0.045 DOGE per hour. can only give like half that number., used to be a 5 minute faucet which is now no timer, can give us at least 5 satoshi per claim and no claim limit per day. can only give about 1 tenth of that amount, 60 minutes faucet as well, can give about 10 satoshi, probably lower right now, as the average amount. can only give like one tenth for the 2 hour claim. and their group, each as hourly faucet can give altcoins about 477 ETH satoshi or 0.31 DOGE. That is over 10 times the amount from, also a 5 minutes faucet as well, with 50 claim limit, right now can give like 0.08 DOGE per claim. With just one claim, already give almost 4 times from, also give contant amount but only 3 satoshi every hour at this moment, which could go less thanks to dynamic price. This usually one of the lowest and now even manage to get even lower., has a faucet feature, give around 15 satoshi in average per hour. That is like 20 times from, as a 5 minute faucet, at this time, I can only get like 192 token per day. If 1,000,000 token equals to 1 USD, I can get like $0.000192 per day. can actually give higher with just 1 claim but has a lot more ways to earn higher. offers like 0.3 DOGE as the base prize per hour. That is like 12.5 times higher than can give like 0.1 DOGE per hour as the base reward. That is 4 times higher than and just the base reward., a no timer faucet can give like 0.09 DOGE per claim. That is almost 4 times higher than, a 10 minutes faucets, can give like 2.5 Bitcoin satoshi per claim or up to 15 satoshi per hour. That is like 25 times from, 2 hour faucet, can give 15 Bitcoin satoshi per claim or 7.5 Bitcoin satoshi per hour. That is like 12.5 times from, an auto faucet, at this time, with maximum bonus, can give like between 6 to 8 Bitcoin satoshi per hour. That is still 10 times from

Comment and Suggestion

Based on the number above, we can easily see that is probably the faucet with lowest earning rate. It’s true that it doesn’t used to be like this.

Initially they offer like every 3 seconds payment before change it to 3 minutes then to 5 minutes. Not sure how much was the amount for each payment though.

The change was because FaucetHub, recently changed their policy starting August 2019 about how user can withdraw their funds from a program to FaucetHub.

From what I can tell, the easier user can withdraw will be a higher cost for the owner. Which is why one of the possible solution for any owner would be to increase the minimum threshold.

Some programs can have their own solution. In the case of any faucet with auto claiming feature, the solution would be to make the cycle timer longer., another auto faucet, implemented the same solution.

The idea for this auto faucet, aside from claiming with just one button and nothing more like regular manual faucet, is to get more experience point with FaucetHub, getting higher level sooner. This has been mentioned on both Fire Faucet and

As far as I know, that would be beneficial only if we have enough FaucetHub referrals and only if they are very active on completing offerwalls. Or, if the referral use the mining feature.

The higher our FaucetHub level will get higher commission. The problem is that I’m not sure the referral would focus on using offerwalls features on FaucetHub instead of other program. For me, FaucetHub is more like the payment or wallet. I could be wrong though.

So, in the case of, or any auto faucet program, if somehow we have referrals that has been very active earning on FaucetHub, we might want to consider leveling up using these auto faucets. Otherwise, there is no point on using them, considering how low the earning rate is.

Unlike Fire Faucet, doesn’t have Auto Claim Points feature, quota for how much we can let the auto claim run. Instead, like manual faucet, we have to keep claiming once every 2 hour.

So, we can’t use the same way as Fire Faucet. With Fire Faucet, people can just spend maybe one or two hours a day, collecting ACP. Then, we can let the auto claiming process run while we can perform other task like work.

If we really must choose just one, I would suggest using They actually offer the real auto faucet where we don’t even need to collect ACP first. Just with one button and it will keep running, assuming there is no problem with the system.

The problem is that we can only get paid with Dogecoin from Then again, even Fire Faucet has problem filling the funds with so many coins. For me, I would not really think too much about collecting certain coins.

This is more about how we can earn. We can still trade them into Bitcoin and then purchase another coin somewhere else. That can be done within the FaucetHub.

Another problem would be the shortlink, as part of the claiming process. Shortlink is a 3rd party service and can use more than one. Some can be very easy to complete but some others can be very annoying with too many pop up ads, opening multiple browser tabs and even fake buttons.

This is not uncommon practice among faucet programs. Another example would be but they only use one shortlink provider.

Usually they can give higher payouts this way. But it seems the idea of auto faucet, boosting EXP to level up, diminishes it.

Referral / Affiliate Program

No matter how often we use, the earning rate from any faucet program can be considered very low. We can only get pennies, which some people might think it is not worth the time., even managed to offer probably the lowest rate.

But, by offering referral or affiliate commission, any progam has a chance to become a passive income. In theory, it could even be unlimited income.

What we do is, we invite other people to join the, let them use the service and we can get paid. The service here is to earn free coins by claiming the faucet. So, we are getting paid by helping other people to earn money. It is actually not a bad idea.

Those people will become the referrals. Let them do the work and we can get paid some percentage of their earning passively. In theory, with unlimited number of referrals, we can get unlimited income.

How does it work?

Just like any other online program offering affiliate or referral commission, each member will get a unique link with their ID attached to it. We call it a referral link or ref link. This one below is mine for

Anybody click on that link, and join the program will become my referrals. Each time the use service, in this case, earning from the faucet, I will get a commission.

At this time, the commission is 30 minutes worth of claiming. Or we can say about 25% of what we can earn ourselves. Getting four people who would do the same and we already get passive income.

What we need to do is to share this link on any online platform we usually use. This can be our social media accounts, forums, group messengers for family or friends, blog or even the website we own.

We can find the link from the REFERRAL PROGRAM page after we sign in and reach the claiming page. Too bad there is no other tool provided by to help member promoting the program.

No banners, no share button or copy link button, don’t even ask about tracking system. There is statistic about total commission but not very useful.

How to get (more) referrals?

Well, sharing the link is a must but how exactly? Sharing to the wrong people is like a salesman approaching stranger. People hate that.

If we try to share on our social media, people might get annoyed if they are not interested. Especially if we are spamming, sharing over and over again like multiple times within a day.

We could lose our followers, risking any network we have built. Maybe it’s better to have alternate account specifically just to share this kind of program.

We look for community or other users that we know are interested. Or only when they ask, then we can share with them the link.

A better way might be to share on forums. Not just any forum of course, but related to online money making program, bitcoin or cryptocurrencies.

The problem with using any free platform like this is that we are probably not the only one who promote the same program. We have to offer something more than just the referral link like anybody else.

Another thing is that these free platforms have rules that they can suddenly change about promotion and not to mention, shutting down their service entirely. We have to start over our campaign if they delete them.

A better way would be to have our own website. We can share anything not just one program but others with the same, similar or related topics.

Having a website is like having a shop in real life. People can always come back to and find out more programs to use.

Then we can use those free platforms, forum or social media accounts  just for promotion. A good way to get backlink or generate traffic.

Since it’s an online shop, it will stay open 24/7, no need to wait for us to wake up and can be accessed from everywhere around the world. The best part of having our own place or website is that any search engine like Google will do the promotion work non stop.

And they will show the website as a result to exactly people who are interested in it. They use the search engine to look for it and get the website we build as the result. No need to worry about being annoying salesman.

Those people will access the website, see what we have to offer. Maybe a review like this, other or similar program we use, sharing experience, opinion, views to let people know that we understand this kind of program.

If they are interested, they will become our referrals for any program we promote. Once we have enough referrals for or every programs we promote, we can have passive income even full time income.

That is exactly how people can build their business online. They own a website, fill the website with contents that can help promote a program, and let it work automatically.

If you are interested to know more about how to build a website and turn it into an online business, keep reading. I will share with you later about a training program that anybody can use.

In the meantime, let’s head back to for a little bit.

Comment and Suggestion

This is actually a rather simple program just offer something slightly better than similar programs in terms of referral or affiliate feature. They do keep some data about the registered account but only their total commission earned.

As I said, it is not actually something useful. Other similar programs don’t even keep any data about referral or commission.

We can never know from the website if we ever get a referral. The only way to find out is by checking the FaucetHub account. Usually, on other similar program we can tell the difference from the earning history between our earning or NORMAL status and referral earnings.

But, that’s it, and only for the past 30 days or so. We can’t even figure out who our referrals are.

Another problem would be, it seems that we won’t keep the referrals for a lifetime. Unless, they keep accessing the same link to claim the faucet.

Maybe we create a page that they can bookmark, a list of every faucet program that they also use. If they decide to access the website directly, not using our link, and we will lose that referral. Or at least, will not get commission for that specific claim.

There is no share button or copy link button. So, we are going to copy the link manually. This could be a problem since the link is case sensitive. Missing just one character means losing a potential income source.

If it helps, the ID use for ref link is using the wallet address. Maybe this could help when double checking the link.

No promotional banners doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing because in general, I will not recommend people to use it. Most people might consider those banners as another advertisement, something that they hate.

It is said that using the link within a sentence will have better conversion rate. If somehow we want to promote using a picture, maybe designing a new and unique one just for ourselves would be a better way instead of using the one they provide and other user can also use.

The referral commission rate is just 25% which other similar programs can offer up to 50%. Of course there are those who only offer like 10%.

Sometimes giving less is better because the program can sustain their business. Of course, there is no guarantee that with lower earning rate, they will. Then again, the earning rate is already very low.

So, from, we will get the commission the same way with how we earn from claiming the faucet ourselves. They will send the payment once every 5 minutes for 30 minutes. This could also help the idea of leveling up FaucetHub account status.

I would say that the affiliate or referral program from is not bad, more like very standard compared to similar programs. Especially those who use FaucetHub as payment service as well.

The problem is not with the referral program but the main feature itself. The earning rate is very low that might not be very attractive to most people.

Conclusion is another faucet that offers to pay with Dogecoin. It’s like both an auto faucet and the manual one combined.

There is no claim quota, but we claim like manual faucet once every 2 hours. We don’t get one payment like any regular faucet but instead, like an auto faucet, we will get paid once every 5 minutes until it reach 2 hours.

With an auto faucet, we usually still have to open a browser tab to get paid. But with, we can just claim like manual faucet, and close the tab. It will keep paying.

The idea is to boost experience points to level up our FaucetHub status. This would be a good idea if we have a lot of FaucetHub referrals and they are actively completing offerwalls or mining. initially offered to pay like every 3 seconds but since FaucetHub changed their policy, it would be impossible to stay with that number. So, that is the reason why we now get the 5 minutes.

To claim the faucet, we will immediately have to complete a shortlink process as we sign in. use several shortlink providers, which one providers can be annoying than the other.

Using a shortlink as part of the manual faucet usually leads to higher earning. But since they want to keep the experience point boosting idea, what we get is probably one of the lowest earning rate among any faucet program.

The earning rate itself is probably not that much different from the starter rate from Fire Faucet, another popular auto faucet. But on Fire Faucet, we have the chance to increase the rate by keep using the program while on, we can only get one constant amount of coins.

There is no other earning feature here except the referral commission. We can get like 25% and we will also get the same benefit from the main feature. Instead of getting paid one time, we will be paid using the auto faucet mechanism, paid once every 5 minutes until it reach 30 minutes.

So, this could also help level up our FaucetHub account. They keep some statistic about total commission earned but, it not something helpful to promote the program.

Nevertheless, with the referral commission, the potential to become a passive even unlimited income still stands. It’s just not a program we should be focusing on to build

If you still consider this as an opportunity for another passive income, then you can start by creating account with via this link. It’s FREE.

Final Word

As I mentioned before that what we can get from any faucet program like is actually very low. The key is to use the referral program, get a lot of referrals and let them do the work and we get the commission.

In order to do that, it’s better to have our own website, promote the program until we can get enough referrals and they can generate income for us. This is not only limited to digital product but we can also promote physical product.

Share a link from a marketplace like Amazon, or directly from big brands like Apple, and if people buy something, we can earn some commission. It’s not limited to just tech product but any passion we have from food, travel, sports, movies.

That is how we can have an online business.

If you are interested to learn more about building a website and turn it into a business, even a passive income, there is a training program that you can try.

On this training, not only we can learn about how to, but we can actually set up the website, grow it until it can generate income. We can learn from a lot of experts who were once just like you and me, know almost nothing about online business.

This is an easy training program that even a guy without a college degree can use it. Within two years he started to have a full time income from his website and quit his regular job.

We can even ask the owner the help out directly. Try it. Join the program for FREE and try to reply their first message to you and see if they get back and help you out.

You can learn more about the training from my review here.

We grow the business and website by using affiliate programs just like Here is my list of other affiliate programs that you can try.

I will keep updating the page and add more programs. So, stay tuned.

Well, that’s all I can share with you about the faucet program, Maybe I missed something and you have more question about it, or if you want to add your experience, view, opinion, don’t hesitate to use the comment section below.

Maybe you also have other experience with other similar programs with this, hopefully a better one, you can suggest something as well. I would love to help if I could and learn more about online program.

Hope my reviews can help. Thanks for reading.



Mark M.


2 Replies to “ Review”

  1. Hey buddy. I was the owner of I’m SnaY. Reading the lengthy detailed article made me so nostalgic. I opened when I was 15 lmao. Please contact me on discord: SnaY#2015. I want to talk to you. I was shocked to find out such a long article on something I created and managed for a year. Or yeah add me on gmail hangouts if you don’t have discord, or email me.

    1. Hi SnaY. Thanks for stopping by.

      It has been almost a year since you decided to shutdown You were only 15? That’s amazing.
      I remember that you were doing another project after, right? Hope it went well.

      I’m sorry, I don’t really know how to use Discord or Hangout. I think I have an account for Discord with username:homeofmark, maybe? Only use them for the purpose of writing a review.

      You can contact me here or send an email to

      Best regards.

      Mark M.

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